> yelling at dogs to get them to shut up. They hear it as people barking back > at them and just bark louder. Sometimes, yes. However, there are techniques. Like going over to the property line and firing a large bore shotgun in the air (not advisable if you live in town). Often quite effective, you only have to do it once and they generally pay attention to your "Shut up!" ever after. Works especially well for non-hunting dogs. I trust everyone can see the corollaries as they apply to email/lists/spams. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L