This spamming is getting rediculous. List owners should definitely use the "confirm" option on the lists as well as make send=private. This would cut down on a lot of that stuff. Also, maybe private ISPs can have all subscribers sign a statement that says the won't break policies of the provider and the Internet, including spamming. Breaking the policy would result in a big charge, say $2 for each complaint received as a result of that breach. The fine could be assessed against the offending subscriber's credit card. This would turn the Internet into a very costly medium for spammers to use and thus be a very good deterent as far as I can see. Hurt them in their wallet and advertisers will stop abusing the Internet. Does this make sense? Stan Horwitz, Consultant | Bitnet | Internet Temple University | V4039@TEMPLEVM | [log in to unmask] Manager of Help-Net and E-mail postmaster for VM.TEMPLE.EDU and TEMPLEVM