If I understand your question, do the GET DEFAULT MAILTPL; edit out those sections that you don't want to change; modify the new subscriber section; save the file as 'listname MAILTPL'; and stow on the filelist. I don't think this procedure has changed in 1.8b so do a INFO OWNERS and scan for /mailtpl/ for more educated discussion. -- co-owner INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L [log in to unmask] "Who said you could use MY Internet?!" +1 814 863 1843 31 Shields Bldg. -- Penn State -- University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA