When the list owner removes a user, the farewell message isn't sent because in most cases its contents aren't appropriate. Typically a farewell message says "I'm sorry to hear you're leaving XYZ-L, if there's anything we could have done to make you happy and not leave, please let us know and we'll give it all consideration blah blah blah". In other words, the farewell message prompts the user to get in touch with the list owner and speak out his heart. When you kick out a user this isn't an appropriate thing to say unless you're deleting the user at his request because he doesn't know how. Then he's usually told you why he wants off. If not you can ask, with most mail programs it's easy to include a "canned" reply in your message and customize it as needed. Eric