LISTSERV and list-owners are not perfect. I see lots of lists in the global list-of-lists which are obviously setup for some segment of the planet that does NOT include me. If I try to subscribe and get rejected, such is life. If I think I still need to be subscribed, then a polite e-mail to the owner might work. As a matter of fact, that is what happended with TQM-L when it was only a University of Kanasas internal list. Now it is a world-wide subscribable list and I am a secondary co-owner. Your results may vary. -- co-owner INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L URL:mailto:[log in to unmask] "I've fallen and can't reach my keyboard" 31 Shields Bldg. -- Penn State -- University Park, PA 16802-1202 USA