This iaf.net discussion is very interesting. I agree that this topic is germain to lstown-l because Listserv lists are being used by an individual to accumulate addresses for a database. About half an hour ago, I sent a message to [log in to unmask] to say that collecting mailing lists from any Listserv lists run on the system I maintain is not permitted without prior University permission. I am curious to see what kind of response I get back from their postmaster. By the way, speaking of spams, there are something like 200 Listserv lists running here. Each time a spam is posted to any of the lists where SEND=PRIVATE I get a copy of that spam message. Is it possible to have those copies sent to some kind of bit bucket where they will all be deleted automatically rather than to my postmaster account? Each spam results in my postmaster account being flooded with copies of the message. This is undesirable although the SPAM reports the spam filter are nice. Stan Horwitz Internet: [log in to unmask] Bitnet: STAN@TEMPLEVM Temple University -- Senior Consultant (My views are all mine!) Manager of the Help-Net and Suggest lists and Listserv Postmaster.