Oh interesting! I also recognize [log in to unmask] as a subscriber to blind-l which discusses computer use of and for the blind. Another person on my bad list is [log in to unmask] who tried to post a commercial ad for a product to defeat urine tests for drugs to my list and a zillion other ists recently. They were subscribed to blind-l as Anne Pickett but the ad gave their name as Peter Q something or other s. They were subscribed as nomail, concealed and i did a quiet set blind-l mail for them. we typically pump out 50 or more messages a day so they will soon lern what the list is all about. Looks like subscription: open, by)owner should be considered the norm. Now if only we could have more non-delivery notices auto-processed by listserv. Compuserve.com non-delivery notices aren't! At lest on my list. Brian Lingard -- Brian Lingard [log in to unmask]