On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:18:18 -0500 Mark Hunnibell said: >in accordance with the policies of that list. If the policies of the list >are they it cannot be used in this fashion (I postulate this should be >implicit in any list unless otherwise stated), then you are wrong in Good luck telling a lawyer about this implicit and unstated policy, which you don't enforce because you don't protect your subscribers. Fat chance. >about possible accomodations in case these IAF folks TRUELY mean to do >right and become a legitimate and respected part of the Internet >community. They already ARE. They may or may not make it in the business world of the net....but that is their problem, and doesn't make them a bad citizen. >semi-compromise would be that each list owner whose list was raped would ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gimme a break....this is rhetoric and BS....let's try to act like adults instead of emotional children. >It may very well be that these folks will become a valuable resource with >reliable data, but they simply cannot do it by retrieving a bunch of >lists, many of which contain subscriptions to gateways and all other kinds They've already done it. >of special-use addresses, none of which were ever intended for direct >e-mail, and doing this in a fly-by-night fashion. May not have been so intended, but if the listserv gets mail to them, they'll work, won't they? >Perhaps all LISTSERV lists should be created, out of the box, with CONCEAL >as the default mode. The WELCOME message would tell the subscriber to SET >LISTNAME NOCONCEAL if they wanted their name to be public. Well, I'd instantly all change mine to noconceal.... Besides it doesn't come "out of the box" anyway.... >not IAF's. I was not given any choice to mail anonymously. If you have >such a choice, I think it is due to the configuration of your WWW browser, Right. Anyone who knows Netscape at all (as in a few million students) know how to click on Netscape options to change that. cheers cyclops Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Albertsons Library, Boise State University, Boise, Idaho 83725 USA [log in to unmask] http://cyclops.idbsu.edu/ How can one fool make another wise? Kansas, "No One Together," 1979