Gosh: Dan Lester <[log in to unmask]> sure did send a lot of messages. I'm not sure if he was just trying to get people's blood going or what. But next time Dan, if you have that much to say, how about putting it all in one post, quoting only that what was needed to make the point and even the grouping the quotes into logical groups that you can then comment on them without being redundant. Just a suggestion based on my personal reaction to getting a series of messages all on the same topic from the same person, each saying the same general things, but all making me generally uninterested in the message because the format was so disjointed. Cheers Mark Hunnibell Email: [log in to unmask] KIDLINK Gopher/WWW Coordinator http://www.connix.com/~markh/index.html