Looks like we all need to set our lists to subscription open,by_owner so we can control who gets to join and set send to private. I think I shall ask Steve Smith what his interest is in computer usse by the blind. Why doesn't everyone ask him what he finds interesting in their list? Let's see, [log in to unmask] tried to spam my list about clean and clear, a product to defeat urine tests for drugs, i don't recall what jsmith tried to sell me. Olga and her friends at the Volga Tractor and Tank Works lonely hearts club magically went away when I set send to private. Interesting. -- Brian Lingard [log in to unmask]