In response to the number of errors. I know I am going to get flamed for saying this in public by someone, but.... I think everyone is willing to accept that as a listowner or Listserv admin, you have to live with errors...it goes with the territory, but their is a limit and that limit is crossed more often these days. There have been days when I have gotten hundreds of errors, and this is unacceptable as far as I am concerned. As you take a close look at many errors, you realize that it isn't listserv but the way some site admins have set up their mailers or their mail system for their clients. Probably not a very good example, but it will make the point, are the bounces because the user's disk is full. What the system administrators have done is to make the userid's home directory the default directory for incoming mail instead of the system disk. Why? Because when the system disk starts geting full, things start shutting down. So, instead of writing a script to delete the oldest mail in mail directories on the system disk when they reach beyond a certain quota (which is what we do here), they make the user's directory quota the default for any mail and put the responsibility on the user to keep it cleaned up...but we know they don't so mail bounces and when it does bounce back to a list, listserv sends out an error.... So, let's make Listserv responsible because we get too many errors and get Eric to write some additional code so Listserv will take care of this kind of bounce for us. The hundreds of errors I referred to above were as a result of a mailer, a stupid mailer, that an admin set up imporperly. Well, not really stupid because the system admin knew that with regard to mailing lists, they would just bounce and the listowner or listserv admin would have it in their lap. Should code be written for listserv to handle this kind of error as well? I think not. I vote no. This is what I did. I sent a complaint to the postmaster the first day. When I got hundreds again on day 2, I sent the postmaster a note telling them that I was going to filter their mailer's "From:" so mail would be deleted before I saw it. Now, if their is a problem with our site, the postmaster mails me from a different userid to make sure that I get it. It did not require new Listserv code. The responsibility is still at the offending site, and I don't care if they don't. Any complaints from users are referred to their admin. --Trish ----- Trish Forrest Computing Services, University of Windsor, Canada