> Hey, if Eric wants to write code for Listserv that will take care of a > problem that is not his to deal with, that is up to him. Well, actually it *is* LISTSERV's problem -- LISTSERV's job is to handle the daily administrivia of lists, with authority delegated from the listowner. That LISTSERV interprets some error messages is a huge help to listowners -- all this thread is asking for, really, is that it be able to interpret a few more formats than it does. Seems reasonable to me. Of course it won't be able to interpret *every* format, so listowners are always going to get a few oddballs, but my bet is that interpreting just one or two formats more would handle a large number of the most annoying errors for listowners like Kathleen. One example: last I looked (and this may have changed, please don't flame me if so), LISTSERV for Unix would not interpret MIME-format errors. Another: lots of errors come from Taylor uucp sites -- though it's not very common, when it blows up it generates *lots* of error mail, thus lots of mail that has to be seen by the listowner. Another: last I looked (again, this might've changed), AOL had error messages that were unique and not recognized by LISTSERV. Yet its subscribers make up a near majority of many lists -- interpreting their error messages alone would probably make list-life much easier for many. The point is just to look at the most common annoyances, in this case common formats for returned errors, and try to handle them. Another thought ... something listowners complain of is that bounces often include the (now useless) original message, which on a digest-by-default list like LACTNET is quite big. Perhaps LISTSERV could at least scan the message for what looks like an attached original message ("From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]>", blah blah blah), then truncate at that point? It could be switchable, so if the algorithm made bad choices the listowner could revert to the current behavior. Norm -- (Pouring:) "Have a cup - what do you think?" (The other sips.) "It's fine." (Triumphantly:) "It's instant!" (The other, pausing:) "Yeah? Instant what?"