We discussed this at great length a few months ago, Birdie (say "Hi!" to Brenda Hutchins for me if she's still there, would you?). Briefly, you can't read the new coding and Eric ain't telling. Someone (Dan Lester ?) thinks he's cracked a fair part of it and has a perl (?) script for it. Yes, it is different from the old LISTSERV coding which you could figure out for yourself. The 1.8b coding is far more complex. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L