I think you can issue the: SET listname NORENEW FOR superuser@node before you add the RENEWAL= keyword. Nevertheless, when you do the: Q listname FOR superuser@node before you add the keyword, I do not think that that option will display. Nevertheless, a re-issue of the SET will indicate that the option IS in effect. Thus the reason for my belief that the order is OK for what you want to accomplish. This was done on a VM/CMS system: YMMV. Pete Weiss at Penn State