Eric's comments brought up one of the basic points of confusion: the use of articles, definite and indefinite, with listserv. I believe articles can be used, in some cases, if used properly: send commands to the listserv *address* (which is not the list address) a listserv *address* etc., etc. It is the misuse of the articles, I think, which has caused a great deal of the confusion (and, personally, I would love to see the listname-request address disappear, and owner-listname also, except for handling bonafide errors, these addresses just add to subscriber confusion). Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L