Vickie: Regardless of your heoric efforts at helping folks subscribe, in the long haul it is possible that they will be unable to be good e-mail citizens until: their e-mail system improves, or their personal e-mail knowledge does. You may be incrementally adding to your personal workload maintaining such user accounts since their configuration very well might not be compliant with various LISTSERV list options such as SEND= PRIVATE. This is one of the reasons for CONFIRM processing to begin with: ensuring that a valid two-way path of communications exists between the user and the LISTSERV host(s). As usual just MHO. -- co-owner: INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L URL:mailto:[log in to unmask] "This e-mail msg rated NC-17 -- age-proof req."