Eric's proposal is very well thought through, and I am in agreement with Mike's conclusion that action is warranted at least to prevent the further extension of what may already be legally establishing itself via precedent. Clearly the network community has the potential, and the justification, for more coordinated action against the intentional offenders --those who demonstrate they know what they are doing. Ignorance may have been a passable enough excuse in the early days, but we're past that now. George Buckner Co-owner, Psyche-D, Psyche-L