> CONFIRM listname FOR user@node Remember that when a user is in the magic-cookie mode of subscription that in fact they are NOT yet subscribed and don't show up in the subscriber list. Thus the would-be subscriber does not yet have a list-owner. Yes, 3rd-party CONFIRM can be done by the owner, but that isn't magic-cookie. Heck, the owner can waive (NORENEW) the subscriber.