At 16:48 06/29/96 MST, Dan Lester scribed: >On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:20:07 -0400 Philo said: >>We have cc:Mail in our organization of 600, which has some tough budget > > You have my sympathy. > Thanks. I deal with it. I think they just picked up MAPI, so perhaps a lot of this will go away... >>problems. If the mail system "works", why spend $$$$ to replace it? > > Nobody has enough money in the budget, at least no one I ever heard of. >Well, how can it "work" when you just said it didn't? Does it or doesn't it? >I assume you mean that it works for an internal system but it sucks for >Internet email. Eventually Lotus will figure that out and fix it. Not my >problem and certainly not Eric's. LSoft has always had to face idiots and >assholes using broken software, and probably always will. > Actually, I'm really disappointed that everyone's flaming me for my anti-LSoft option, but no one has echoed my more pro-active, L-Soft friendly solution (not mine; I've seen it here before): block subscribers from non-compliant sites. If enough listowners deprive users at non-compliant sites, then maybe enough users will bitch to MIS types, and enough of them will bitch to the software writers, and the world will come closer to compliance... > One of the systems I use daily is Novell GroupWise4.1. It is far from >ideal as an internet mail system, but it can be made to be reasonably >effective. Of course it needs to be set up right. The sysadmin of another >IDENTICAL version of GW at another state agency swears the same things that >you do, that it won't sort the mail, etc, etc. Of course the fact that he >won't listen to suggestions from anyone else who runs the identical software >version (right down to release dates on key .DLLs) doesn't make GW a bad >system. It just proves he's an asshole. I don't know ccMail at all, but >first be sure that the problems with ccMail couldn't be fixed before I got >all upset with Eric or anyone else. > Okay then: cc:Mail only gives TWO headers: its best guess at a "From" line, and the subject line. Lotus has confirmed there is NO way for a user to access the rest of the headers. cc:Mail's best guess is sometimes the list name, sometimes the sender. If it's the sender, how exactly do I set the rule to sort the message? For example: From: Bob Jones Subj: No, not at this time Sorry, group; I just can't change the headers around for a small group right now. Bob How would *you* set a filter to put this in the "Pat Benatar Mailing List" folder? >cheers >cyclops > Dan Lester, Network Information Coordinator Always willing to learn, Philo -- ====================================================================== Philo || quod per sortem [log in to unmask] || sternit fortem, *2*E GULC <*> || mecum omnes plangite! http://www.radix.net/~philo || -Carmina Burana ======================================================================