I prefer to use one of the public LISTS db (still maintained on some a VM/CMS systems). Once you locate one, use the following LDBASette (assuming they are non-confidential lists) search * in lists where list - (finaid-l or erappa-l or infosys or tqm-l or ldbase-l or janitors) index sub.5r list.8 node.8 title.55 -- co-owner: INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L URL:mailto:[log in to unmask] "Never confuse the messenger with the message"