I had totally forgotten about the change a couple years ago so that LISTSERV could extract the "name" if present. I forgot about it as I saw it as rather pointless, and, given all the problems it can lead to, I still do. I still advocate that subscribers should be told the drill is: sub listname Firstname Lastname It is reasonably clear and saves confusion and having to go into more detailed explanations, which I definitely favor. Then of course, sometimes I can't stand it any more so give it as "Given-name Surname" but not often as answering the "What?" questions gets tiresome. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L