I have sent you ("GIVE") separately Jim Gerland's instructions which are also separately retrievable by emailing [log in to unmask] the text get lsvowner fil-list also index lsvowner As a list-owner, I have yet to have to mess around with FILEID. As far as the FAREWELL and WELCOME files, they are practically identical to any file that you can store in your filelist. To maximize their utility though, you should following the convention (for those particular files) where the first line of the file is a subject: line, and the second line is blank e.g., (minus the indentation) Subject: Welcome to xxxxxx: please SAVE for future reference Thank you for joining our list xxxxx ... ... The reason for having the first 2 lines like that is because LISTSERV will send the WELCOME and FAREWELL e-mail with that as a Subject: as opposed to some generic (in English) Subject:. -- co-owner: INFOSYS, TQM-L, CPARK-L, ERAPPA-L, JANITORS, LDBASE-L, et -L URL:mailto:[log in to unmask] "I get paid by the millisecond"