You can certainly change * SUBSCRIPTION= OWNER, but what did that REALLY accomplish unless you somehow validate the new subscriber via a dialog e.g., fill out an application form? You might want to re-think the kinds of conversations that are occurring on/thru your list and the level of security/ trust that you have. For starters: * REVIEW= OWNER * SUBSCRIPTION=OPEN,CONFIRM * SEND= EDITOR * EDITOR= your_userid@host,(listname) This is part of the SPAM-avoidance techniques, but does nothing little about privacy or trust. /Pete Weiss at Penn State