My list is sub by owner the instructions I have been handing out say to join send to [log in to unmask] subscribe [log in to unmask] first-name surname ALSO send to [log in to unmask] with some info proving you are a member of our group (its a social club) This great, it works well enough :) LISTSERV forwards me both bits. The work load of the list is growing (vetting the club membership is a pain) and I will need to add a second owner/moderator to help. But then they may get one part and I might get another. What's the solution? (I still want to keep part (1) because it trains my users and it then only a simple LISTSERV to command to ok on to the list.) Thanks for any help. -- Roger Pfister -m- http://www.genuine.demon.co.uk/