No, Nathan, I haven't checked the ftp site recently, will do so. Some people, Dan, make do with eight year old dot matrix printers. Binding is a problem also. I know how to do hand binding but it is labor intensive, especially with hundreds of single sheets of lightweight paper. Looseleaf binders work ok, but the holes wear out quickly with light paper, need a good supply of "hole reinforcers." Heavy stock works fine for looseleaf, but that won't go through my printer. I may not have the money to upgrade my printer, or to replace my antique 2400bps modem, but I will *find* the money to buy a good, well printed manual. Hundred dollars a copy? I'll scrape it up from somewhere and consider it money well spent. LSOFT will take a loss on it? Well, it's a tax writeoff. Like the t-shirts (you are writing those off as advertising, aren't you?). My last posting on this for the next six or so months, promise. No printed manual, though, I'll bring it up again. LISTSERV deserves a good printed manual and I can be obnoxiously persistent on the topic, as I have been for some time. Respite from this topic, for six+ months, now begins. When I bring it up again yell at me as much as you please. :-) Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L