I challenge Mike H. to prove he is a lazier listowner than I. I don't think it's possible. The "cancelbots" don't catch everything so one uses the tools already available in listserv to block the spam. Yeah, that means lazy old me has to approve the garbage, but that's the plus, I get to see and laugh at the dreck while my lists are spared; I'm amused and the subrcribers aren't bothered and takes little of my time. It works. Multi-thousand lists, moderate/high traffic, free discussion, and no spam has gotten through for the past two years (I know, I killed 'em), even with gateways. And I'm still as lazy as I ever was, which is pretty durn lazy, as my wife will doubtless confirm. Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L