Mike: Regarding the proposed self-moderation scheme and NetNews pseudo-user ... It seems like you a bit swimming against the tide ... I guess more owners are interested in blocking/filtering Usenet than let it free ... Why did you state that you doubted users will sub & set nomail ? Is it because they lack e-mail address and only connect via web based news ? One suggestion if you do the change: Customize the MAILTPL for the POST_EDITOR section so it states clearly that if they want their posts processed "automatically" they should sub and give the subscribe information. Spammers don't seem to bother do it (for the moment ;-). (I dunno if POST_EDITOR template is available on 1.8a ) Then announce it on your list... The only users that will burden you will those that you have to release posts for by "OK"ing ... and since they *choose* not to sub and set nomail (exactly 3 short e-mail messages sub,OK,SET) then you'll process them when/if you have time otherwise their post will die after 48 hours. You can even annouce them there is been a change in the software and that they must comply ... citing Pete forward of Jim's post ... after all, it is what's happpening ;-) One other solution is to add them yourself and set them nomail, at least for all the frequent Usenet posters in order to "cut down the workload". If you list is paid for or some revenue depend on traffic that's another story ... But if your list is free then let the user be responsible for their accont ... If they don't want to sub maybe they don't really want to post. Note that it is not only the software change that will burden you but also your users attitude and cooperation... They should "have a heart too" ;-) Going private and having Usenet users sub & set nomail have worked wonders for the signal/noise ratio on my list... No more, passer-by flaming or Usenet spam for the last 3 months ... What's the worse that can happen ? A pay cut ;-) Or be fired ? If it is easy for you as for me to find "volunteer" replacement, I would not sweat it ... And about filtering/sorting mail software, I heard Pegasus does a good job on sorting... Check around I heard it's freeware ... Good luck with your list. My .02$CAN (.014$US) ... -- Eric Paul-Hus , BLUES-L PS Is that Pete, Ben, Douglas (or all) that said that volunteer list owners have the tendancy to be too "gentle" with the user ... I since then knitted myself an asbestos firerepellent suit, for those who get tempered even with civil and courteous e-mail.