i used filter_also because the manual sez: TRAPIN A list of Internet addresses from which LISTSERV should never accept mail. Mail and files from users matching these templates will not be processed. This parameter is provided primarily for VM sites, but is available for the convenience of VM customers migrating to other platforms and should not need to be set by typical non-VM installations. Note: L-Soft does not recommend using this keyword to filter out problem users. Rather, you should use the FILTER_ALSO keyword for that purpose. >>>>> "Norm" == Norm Aleks <[log in to unmask]> writes: Norm> I have put "majordomo@*" into both TRAPIN and TRAPOUT ... it Norm> seems like the best place for it, as FILTER_ALSO, from the Norm> documents at least, is for list postings but not command messages -- paul [log in to unmask] |public keys at: | http://urth.acsu.Buffalo.EDU/~pjg/key.html if the above contains opinions they are mine unless marked otherwise.