I have a list Z with * Subscription= Open,confirm If I add Z foo@bar Foo Bar then no confirmation request is sent to Foo Bar. This is by design and A Good Thing. However, there are times when it would be convenient to force a confirm- ation even when the subscription does not originate with the subscriber. I would have thought that for foo@bar subscribe Z Foo Bar would have done the trick, but it does not. The subscription is entered but no confirmation request is sent. Is there a way to accomplish this? /b