On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:29:41 -0600 Dan Lester <[log in to unmask]> said: >Words-L has had ftf meetings and tshirts since 91. We just do it >ourselves. Never thought to even ask Eric for help on it. Candidly, I >can't see as how it would be worthwhile to him, since the people on >blues-l aren't the ones who buy the software. True, but that's not the way it works :-) The general idea is to give shirts to people who will actually wear them. Sure, you can give a shirt to a manager at a convention and it will make a one-time impression and end up in a closet, because it kind of clashes with the suit and tie. Or maybe it will come to good use when the car needs a wash. That's the traditional T-shirt giveaway algorithm that is deployed at just about every convention I've been at, and the bottom line is that you never see anyone actually wearing these shirts (other than a couple dozen nerds that got paid to wear it during the expo). You might as well have given people a brochure. If on the other hand you give the shirts to people who actually wear them, their managers, neighbours and so on will be exposed to the brand/logo/whatever. Bonus points if the wearer is a software-buying manager, but this is not necessary. I do agree however that a record company would draw more benefit from BLUES-L shirts than L-Soft. Eric