On Fri, 9 May 1997, David Maltz wrote: > AOL is doing a good job at mail you probaly made the mistakes yourselves. Well, David, I'm going to take a chance and guess that you are a reasonable character. So, maybe from your perspective you think that AOL is doing a good job for *you*. But, I can tell you from frist hand experience that there are other subscribers to AOL who do not share your opinion because I have talked to them. Some of these are people from AOL who subscribe to our mailing lists, and suddenly, they found their mail just stopped coming in. They had no idea that AOL was preventing legitimate mail from reaching them. If you have been following this "thread", you should also know that AOL doesn't care about them, or you as an individual, because as Brad said, with 8 million customers, it won't hurt AOL at all if they leave and go to another ISP. As he put it, this is how the big boys play the game. The really sad story for you in all of this, is that you will never know if *you* are one of those effected because AOL will not tell you if legitimate mail for you was refused. And remember, it is not "us" that is violating an internet standard in this case. If I were a different kind of person, which I am not, I'd ask my fellow Listserv Postmasters to make use of the FILTER_ALSO in listserv's config file, with a nice "blurb" to all AOL subscribers, saying that they are welcome from another ISP, but I'm not that kind of person. We will survive and this particular incidence will disappear and perhaps be quoted in years to come, if only to draw attention to when this list suddenly heard a heated debate again. I could say more, but arguments of "fairness", "cooporation", and "remember what the net used to be like" are lost in the late 1990s.... maybe we will get it back with Internet II. :-) As an aside, thanks Harry for the phone numbers.... nice to see you are still around and kicking. And Landy, wow! is all I can say. --Trish --------- Trish Forrest ITS - Queen's University