Re [log in to unmask] In response to my setting posting limits on him, Gary has posted to MADNESS under two other names, [log in to unmask] and [log in to unmask] and is now posting to the California list. The California list is on listproc and there are even less management options. He's also subbed me to some mail bomb lists. I have no idea what to do now. It's interesting how easy it is to be a spoiler, and how hard it is to create and sustain community. I could filter out all posts from *@juno. That hardly seems fair. I'm back to my original strategy that has been enough for four years, just ignore him. He has the technical smarts to foil any intervention; after all that's what is fun for nerds and techies. I like to beat systems too, but not when it hurts individuals. Well, ... Sylvia Caras, challenged List Owner