Trista, I think I can sum this conversation up for you: If you were a listowner, you would let the subscribers always be able to see who was on it. But the listowners in this particular group have learned from experience that the benefits are not worth the costs. So -- that's the end of the discussion!! If you are a listowner, it's your choice. If you are on a list and the listowner is refusing to open the subscription list up to you -- AHA! give it up. It's the listowner's prerogative. End of discussion. Bye now. Have a nice day. Mary Schweitzer