On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Judith Hopkins wrote: > As spamming began to become a nuisance we changed to REVIEW =PRIVATE > but realized that that was not particularly effective as anyone > could subscribe, get the subscription list, and then unsubscribe. > So now we have REVIEW =OWNERS If anyone can persuade me that > he or she has a valid need for some subscription information I am > glad to provide it to them but I have rarely received such requests. Can I persuade you to define the list as: * Review= Private * Default-Options= Conceal so that you leave the new subscriber protected from prying eyes, but leave with them the prerogative and responsibility to decide for themselves whether they wish to be a visible subscriber (to other subscribers of the list)? This way, you get to protect your subscribers, lacking any knowledge of their wishes to the contrary, but you relieve yourself on forcing them to continue to be "protected" if they do not wish to. Everyone wins. If I do convince you to configure your list as above, then remember also to QUIET SET <listname> CONCEAL FOR *@* in order to initially conceal the subscriptions of all those who are already subscribed to your list (redefining the list's configuration will not change the SETtings of those already subscribed). And, finally, remember that it is only those subscribers who have not posted to your list who will have the option to remain concealed (if you keep archives accessible to subscribers or the public). Once they've posted, anyone with permission can GET the logfiles and derive subscriber userids from there. Peter R