I have been watching the console of listserv (we have it on VM, heh), and I am impressed that about HALF of all SUB requests are fakes. I know, because a quiet list of ours, ZIRAAT-L has been a target of them for about a year now. The typical look is: From: someone@somewhere SUB ZIRAAT-L take that sucker! It must be in the database of one of these d*mn programs. Good thing for the 'Subscription=Open,Confirm' but we still get lots of alarmed messages 'I got a confirmation for something that I did not want to subscribe to!' Stinks :( -t --------------- internet: [log in to unmask] postmaster, [log in to unmask] bbsturk: (+90)232-369-6428/29 FIDO: sysop@2:430/105 VirtualNet: 1@90232000 http://bbsturk.bbs.tr