> Usually out-of-the-box LISTSERV(R) there is no way to prevent CONCEAL, > but you can pre-empt on a daily (weekly?) basis by For a list with REV restricted to listowner(s), hence no reason for conceal, I do it once a month (co-owner likes to get a printout by-name and concealed won't be there). I change the setting ONLY for those who are concealed ( query listname with conceal for *@* ) > > QUIET SET listname NOCONCEAL FOR *@* A question I just thought of, in light of RENEW keyword. If the owner changes a setting on a subscription it resets the RENEW clock, correct? If the option is ALREADY set to the set you send in, no cahnge in options, is the clock reset? If one does a quiet set listname noconceal for *@* will the timer for ALL subscriptions be reset or ONLY those whose options are actually changed? See, even after years I can think of dumb questions to ask. Douglas