Boils down to what works and what doesn't, and the concientious listowner does what works< regardless. But the concientious listowner also does his best, like Maureen Leblanc, to understand how the system he is using and LISTSERV work. If LISTSERV won't let you do something, like edit an "ok" and use the same approval code, YOU figure out how to do it yourself. If you think the list is of importance, and the edting job is worth the work involved, you do it. And you don't moan and groan about it, other than occaisional "hey, Eric, could you do this?". If one is trying to use a POP or similar type mailer to run a list and it will not do some of the things a listowner needs to do, get rid of it, find something that will allow you to fulfill ALL your functions as listowner. If you have a commercial ISP which does not allow that, find one that will. If you are working from an .edu site and they won't allow you the tools you need to do your job, get a commercial account which will. That is what I did, no junk, unix command line, any mailer I want to use, any problem fixed within 1- 3 hours regardless of when I call them, they'll give me a temp account while they work on the problem. Worth the money. I am especially glad I have it now as Buffalo is on a revamping/"upgrading" (again, sigh) binge and I'm tired of fighting it. A list item that needs major editing, I just pop it down here and take care of it. The listowner does whatever is required to keep the list functioning properly, regardles of how long it takes or how convenient it is, and every once in a while elbows Eric and says "how about this." Speaking of which, could we, pretty please, have AFD/FUI back? I mean, we were assured when all our host sites were moved from VM and VAX to UNIX that AFD/FUI would be along shortly. We are waiting, and we will keep bringing it up, those of us who loved it. If your commercial customers haven't asked for it it is because they don't know about it. Potentially, it is a fantastic spam device. If they knew about it they would want it, money in LSOFT's coffers. Douglas