On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:40:43 -0600 Ben Parker said: >The difference is that for joining the list, whether ADDed by Owner or SUB by >themself, they will get the same (1 or 2) message(s). I thought if ADDed by the listowner, new subscribers get the ADD1 message, which by default appends a copy of $SIGNUP to a short "You have been added to listname by ...." If they subscribe themselves, one instead receives the SIGNUP1 message, which also appenmds a copy of $SIGNUP, but to a slightly different "Your subscription to listname has been accepted" message. And, if one exists, either method will send out the WELCOME file as well. We often eliminate the $SIGNUP message altogether, just leaving us with the ADD1 or SIGNUP1 template to serve as a short confirmation, and then we put our instructions in the welcome note. Bill