I'm just trying to cover all bases here but I was surprised to find (after being asked where they were) that there was no mention of the location of the 1.8d beta manuals on LSTSRV-L and only one mention of the location on LSTOWN-L (at least in the last year). So since 1.8d has not yet been released, you can find the current beta 1.8d manuals at ftp://ftp.lsoft.com/listserv/beta-1.8d/manuals-beta Sorry, no plain text and no HTML yet, and I don't really recommend printing the manuals yet since they aren't done. But that's up to you :) Please also note that there is a list called LSOFT-DOC-UPDATES on PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM where we post information about manual updates. Anyone can join this list (it's announce-only, not a discussion list) and there are the following topics available: * Topics= OWNER,SITEMGR,USER,QUICKSTART,INSTALL,DEVELOPER Nathan