Aside from the practical/operational differences there's one thing I like to point out to fans of non-Listserv automatons. AFAIK all of the other products are programs running on single systems with no "knowlege" of the rest of the Internet. Listserv is part of a network of Listservs who chat with each other, do load distribution, warn each other about spammers and update each others data. And plenty of other stuff that I may not be aware of. On the non-list-distribution side of it, CataList takes the WWW Interface and acts as the central hub of all the Servers. -Kary