Yes, I've read the 1.8c docs thoroughly. I understand how probes work, I hope. I'm also used to the "traditional" renewals with setting the frequency of renewals and the delays for members to respond before dropping. Since the probe follows the auto-delete rules for deleting someone, does the "delay(xx)" have any meaning in a case where you've added ,probe ??? If not, can/should it be dropped from the statement? At this point I'm just adding the probe option, since that is what the docs show as examples. thanks dan -- Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716-7115 USA 208-383-0165 [log in to unmask] http://www.84.com/ http://www.idaholibraries.org/ http://library.idbsu.edu/ http://cyclops.idbsu.edu/ http://www.lili.org/ Sent me a postcard of a library yet? You'll get something nice in return.