On Nov 8, 5:20pm, Bret Diamond wrote: } Do the welcome and farewell messages have to include a "*" in } every line, or just the first line? Also, as the listowner, how I think its optional on any lines. They are just straight text (except for the substitute variables) between the ">>>" section dividers. } can I view the messages the way a subscriber would? This is } important because for whatever reason there seems to be } formatting changes from when I compose the message in Netscape } e-mail, to what actually gets distributed to new members (there } seem to be line-spacing irregularities) I've been having a } friend subscribe/unsubscribe and then forward a copy to me, but } we're both getting tired of this. Only way I know of. You might get yourself a hotmail, yahoo, or similar account to test with to keep your friend out of the loop. -- Rich Greenberg Work: PM0RMG atsign WSPVM1.worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign netcom.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT),Red(Husky,(RIP)),Shasta(Husky,TT) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. Adopt a homeless Husky.