I'm getting tired of the hassles of renewals, but don't really want to end some sort of "housekeeping". I'd planned on using probes, but am I correct that it is only in 1.8d? I'd thought it was in 1.8c, but can't find it in the docs on my bookshelf (yeah, I print'em and bind'em). I know we should have d, but I'm not the guy who has to install it, and he's busier than ever (can we spell PeopleSoft, folks?), and is convinced the upgrade will be some major shindig and require vast amounts of his time. Can you give me info to correct him, particularly if you can do so soon (as I meet with him in about 16 hours)? We're talking about an RS6000 AIX box in case it matters. thanks dan -- Dan Lester, 3577 East Pecan, Boise, ID 83716-7115 USA 208-383-0165 [log in to unmask] http://www.84.com/ http://www.idaholibraries.org/ http://library.idbsu.edu/ http://cyclops.idbsu.edu/ http://www.lili.org/ Sent me a postcard of a library yet? You'll get something nice in return.