On 11 Dec 98, at 13:40, Ross Wilcock wrote: > Last Saturday, the Warsaw server (plearn.edu.pl) apparently sent a SPAM > message with the result that this address has been put on the "Realtime > Black List " It has the effect that the PLEARN site is not pingable. > > Has anyone heard of this - is it an official function or is this some kind > of email crime or mischief? > > You can appreciate that there is grave concern at the moment through the > gruesome murders of the British telecommunications engineers who were trying > to restore telecommunications for Chechnya. > This is exactly why, as much as I HATE spam, I hate even more these vigilante, guilty-until-proven-innocent, techniques for spam-fighting. It's usually the totally innocent bystanders that are hurt the most by these tactics. My personal stance is not to deal with the terrorists, but instead to have the subscribers complain to their provider that they are no longer receiving the mail they expect and want. If that happens enough, the providers will eventually stop using these services or lose customers. As long as we say "pretty please, take us off your blacklist", that only encourages the vigilantes. Next step will be "give me $$$ or I'll put you on my blacklist, and that is blackmail." Come to think of it, it's already blackmail: "Bow down before me or I won't take you of my list" is not far different from "Give me $$$..." Not that there aren't some sites that deserve to be filtered, but each mail admin should decide what those are, and make it a conscious decision, hopefully after an attempt to find out whether the site in question is truly a spammer or just another victim. Email admins who just blindly accept a list of "spam-sites" are not fulfilling their responsibilities as email service providers, IMHO, and are just accepting gossip as gospel. Francoise