I do not know what Mr. Mills lists are like, nor whom they are intended for, maybe all his list subscribers have the latest gew whiz, nifty neato, you gotta get this, it is so cool, garbage. My thousands of subscribers happen to be all over the world. I am to tell this person in Nigeria, with antique equipent and minimal net access, sorry, come back when you have the latest gimcracks? Not this listowner. I don't see it as "dumbing down," rather as "wising up." The latest frills don't enhance the information, which is contained in the text. All that is needed is the basic text which can be used by virtually any computer still in operation. Allowing the pointless frills eliminates a lot of my subscribers for the benefit of a tiny few. It also eats up archive space something fierce (we have everything, nearly ten years of logs) and the archives are much more important than the glitz. Not to mention trying to help a subscriber when the encodded fru-fru has blown his mail system, sometimes the whole mail system for the university. My lists are plain text (no attachments/html/base64/win.dat/enrichment, etc.) and I have no intention of changing that because my lists are for all my subsciribers, regardless of the system being used, not for only those with the latest hot item. Douglas