One thing to be wary of, if you use the listname-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST address is that the subscribe command still wants a first name and last name. Since there is no SUBSCRIBE command actually being sent, it uses the name on the From: line. But if there is no name on the From: line, then the subscribers-to-be will get a message saying that they must provide a full name. You can prevent this by using Default-Options=CONCEAL, which will allow people to subscribe without a name. However, you will then have all or most of your subscribers set to CONCEAL, which may or may not be what you want... Francoise