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Stan Ryckman <[log in to unmask]>
Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:09:31 -0400
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Hi.
 
I'm puzzled by the bounce from "my" list (see below).  In particular,
it says:
 
: for the following  reason: "Sender:", "From:" or "Reply-To:"  field pointing to
: the list has been found in mail body.
 
and the only field that could be construed as 'pointing to the list'
is "To:" which was quoted.  Is it the error text which is wrong, or
is the logic which caused it to bounce in error?
(I believe this is version 1.8b.)
 
A second question would be "why is this going to the list owner
instead of the sender?"  It is the sender who has control of the
content, and this bounce requires the list owner to write back to
the sender and explain things, or else, puzzled by the non-appearance
of his message, the sender will just keep doing it.  "My" list
is only 70-75 people, but this could be a major headache for large
lists, I would think.
 
Third:  I don't see what the problem is with included headers pointing
back to the list might be; it's *just slightly* problematic if at the
beginning of a line.  If the concern is something autoreplying and
quoting everything *including* headers, then why is the ">" quote
OK but not the "> " quote?
 
Yes, I've read 9605-UD-02; it says "what" (i.e., this will happen,
unless the quoted headers are quoted by ">" instead of "> ") but
it doesn't say *why* and the logic completely escapes me.
 
The text in 9605-UD-02 (11.2 at the end) which says  "The ultimate
solution to the problem is to warn subscribers..." seems to me to
be a copout for not making LISTSERV a bit more intelligent.
 
OK, your turn... convince me I'm wrong.
 
Cheers,
Stan Ryckman ([log in to unmask])
 
 
The bounce:
 
: From [log in to unmask]  Fri Sep 13 21:49:25 1996
: Received: from vm.ege.edu.tr (vm.ege.edu.tr [155.223.50.1]) by sunspot.tiac.net (8.6.12/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id VAA05396 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 21:49:20 -0400
: Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
: Received: from VM.EGE.EDU.TR by vm.ege.edu.tr (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
:    with BSMTP id 1195; Sat, 14 Sep 96 04:50:17 TUR
: Received: from VM.EGE.EDU.TR (NJE origin LISTSERV@TREARN) by VM.EGE.EDU.TR (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9433; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:50:17 +0200
: Date:         Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:50:17 +0200
: From: "L-Soft list server at TREARN (1.8b)" <[log in to unmask]>
: Subject:      GS-L: error report from LOOP.COM
: To: Stan Ryckman <[log in to unmask]>
: X-LSV-ListID: None
:
: The enclosed message,  found in the GS-L  mailbox and shown under  the spool ID
: 0548 in the system log, has been identified as a possible delivery error notice
: for the following  reason: "Sender:", "From:" or "Reply-To:"  field pointing to
: the list has been found in mail body.
:
: ------------------------ Message in error (29 lines) --------------------------
: Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
: Received: from TREARN (NJE origin SMTP@TREARN) by VM.EGE.EDU.TR (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9431; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:50:16 +0200
: Received: from patty.loop.net by vm.ege.edu.tr (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP;
:    Sat, 14 Sep 96 04:50:01 TUR
: Received: from randya (pma1_117.loop.com [206.138.116.117]) by patty.loop.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00555 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:48:45 -0700
: Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
: From: "Randy Amasia" <[log in to unmask]>
: To: "Game Shows Discussion List" <[log in to unmask]>
: Subject: Re: JEREMY JUDGES: Bzzz!
: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:49:26 -0700
: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
: X-Priority: 3
: X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155
: MIME-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
:
: > From: Jeremy Soria <[log in to unmask]>
: > To: Multiple recipients of list GS-L <[log in to unmask]>
: > Subject: JEREMY JUDGES: Bzzz!
: > Date: Friday, September 13, 1996 2:25 PM
: >
[message prose, but no more headers, snipped]

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