Thanks Peter. And I bet if you look at the Date: line, that has spaces too!

Now here's the real interesting part: In pine 4.05 in full header mode,
*ALL* the lines (Date:, To:, From:, Subject:) have spaces. In fact, they all
line up with the "Content-Type:"

An example, from my pine 4.05:

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Message-ID:  <[log in to unmask]>
Date:         Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:01:38 -0500
Reply-To:     [log in to unmask]
Sender:       Test List <[log in to unmask]>
From:         Jim Serwinowski <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      testing
To:           [log in to unmask]


I think we can safely say that Listserv is definately adding spaces, but
somehow different mail clients seem to display it differently, either in
full header mode or not (Outlook Express).

Now the question is why, and I think I have the answer - It's for the
archives. The html code for the messages in the archives uses <pre> tags
to format the header of the message so that it all lines up, like it's
been tabbed. Take a look and you'll see everything is spaced out to line up
with "Content-Type: ". Since they use <pre> tags and not tables, the only way
to do that is with extra spaces.

So to answer John's original question:

"Anyone want to venture an opinion on why the spaces are being prepended?"

I'm going with - "To make the web archives look nice and pretty."

However, I believe this is a bad idea, especially for the Outlook Express
folk. If indeed the web archives are the reason behind it, they can do the
same effect with tables instead of <pre> tags and save people some headaches.

-Jim

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Jim Serwinowski                 [log in to unmask]
UB Listserv Administrator       http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu


On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Peter Rauch wrote:

> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:55:20 -0800
> From: Peter Rauch <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: LISTSERV give-and-take forum <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: prepending spaces to the subject line
>
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jim Serwinowski wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> >
> > Look at any message in this thread except one that you may
> > have composed yourself and look at it using full headers. Do
> > you see the spaces in the "Subject: " line?
> >
> > I do, and I use pine 4.21.
>
> Jim, I use Pine 4.21 (on a Sun system) and if I view the Subject
> line with headers NOT full, the line does not have extra spaces.
>
> If I view it with FULL headers on, then I see five _extra_
> spaces.
>
> If I "export" the messages while FULL headers are on, the
> Subject line is exported with five _extra_ spaces. With full
> headers off, no extra spaces are included.
>
>
> Here is how the two renderings look:
>
> Subject: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> Subject:      Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
>
> Neither contain TAB in the exported copy (there are some
> _leading_ TABs in the exported FULL-headers copy of other, long,
> header lines).
>
> Peter
>
>
>