"Christian J. Reichetzeder" <REICHETZ@AWIIMC11>
Thu, 20 Nov 1986 11:01:05 SET
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There has much been said but why the heck not adding my own opinion to it.
I'll try to keep it short ...
There are two views to LISTSERV (and almost every other software):
a) easier-to-use functions - we could live without LISTSERV,MAILER,NETSERV
and all that stuff. you are mainly interested in "function", "performance"
only a second concern.
b) saving of resources - this could be DISK-space, CPU-time, line/link-load,
and "human"-resources. But the last one is closely connected to (a).
This point could be divided in ...
ba) LOCAL resources
bb) NETWORK resources
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Now seeing it from these points of view I want to raise some questions.
1) who complaining about the additional "consumption" by the LISTSERV made
an *overall* evaluation of the effects ? I.e. only one file coming in for a
list of users, savings on the "end-user" side and so on should also be
taken into account.
2) what is the real additional load induce by the LISTSERVer ? What I heard
is that LISTSERV is most active when also the users are - but that holds
true for RSCS and other components too. This is general problem but could
be alleviated somehow by quiescing certain components trough the peek-hours
- but you have to pay in SPOOL-space for it ...
Eric: maybe we should think over the possible effects of "working-hours" -
a new List-keyword like: Online= .... with values specifying the hours when
the List is to be active (and also for Distribute) ? Sure this would cause
a delay in distribution (and lead to answers arriving before questions) -
but if some site feels that its better to quiesce during the day they will
do it manually anyway. With the additional Keyword you would know in
advance which hours a certain list is served.
3) for off-way nodes running a LISTSERV the traffic will increase if the
central nodes is not running LISTSERV (correct me if I'm wrong).
On the other hand central/HUB nodes and traffic on the main lines will be
reduced. So why not taking some of the work ? With LISTSERV we have the
chance to split the additional CPU... between a bigger number of off-way
nodes. It could be a big relief for the central nodes and main lines with
only a slight increase of load in *many* others. "Share and enjoy".
4) Why bother what is distributed to whom ? When I see several BITNAUTS LISTs
(only an example - no offend :-)) crossing the Atlantic one after the other
and loading the links for several hours I know what DISTRIBUTE is worth (
or COULD be worth). Its a question of "who is to blame" - noone would say
"the heck why do you permit your RSCS to send such big pieces of junk" -
but with LISTSERV there is always the POSTMASTER who installed it and
maintains it. But if there weren't LISTSERV the files would make their way
anyway ...
I think its more the feeling that something is here not totally under your
control - but this is true for many other components too.
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The heck, I said short ...
*Eric:*
two more things to the DISTRIBUTE:
1) I hadn't the time to go through all the MEMOs - did I hear Priority ? I
wouldn't like to see it if a 80000 bytes file is sent with prior=0 ...
2) what about automatically splitting big JOBs (I know of the problems of
packet-sending .... it almost impossible but maybe worth thinking).
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So much for now, I think I've repeated everything already said - sorry ..:-)
<CR
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