BTW, Shannon said in another message that someone submitted a bug to MS - I did that. I can't find a reason in the RFCs why the formatting should end up in the subject line, especially with the long subject issue. RFC822 clearly states that a line starting with one _or more_ spaces is to be treated as a continuation of the previous line. Exchange 2000 only removes the first space, and that's why I filed the bug.

The fact that there's other software that treats headers the same way Exchange 2000 does, does not mean that Listserv is the culprit, although I strongly believe (like I said before) that the formatting that Listserv does is bad anyhow.

Question to LSoft: is this formatting behaviour the same in 1.8e or has it been removed?

FrankL

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Mailarchief 
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 december 2001 21:52
> Aan: LSTSRV-L
> Onderwerp: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> 
> 
> Actually it seems to be RFC822 compliant, but it is a bad 
> idea anyhow. Have you ever seen the way long subject lines 
> are being treated? Under some circumstances, they get spaces 
> in the middle of the subject as well.
> 
> FrankL
> 
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Jim Serwinowski [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 4 december 2001 21:26
> > Aan: LSTSRV-L
> > Onderwerp: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks Peter. And I bet if you look at the Date: line, that 
> > has spaces too!
> > 
> > Now here's the real interesting part: In pine 4.05 in full 
> > header mode,
> > *ALL* the lines (Date:, To:, From:, Subject:) have spaces. In 
> > fact, they all
> > line up with the "Content-Type:"
> > 
> > An example, from my pine 4.05:
> > 
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > Message-ID:  
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date:         Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:01:38 -0500
> > Reply-To:     [log in to unmask]
> > Sender:       Test List <[log in to unmask]>
> > From:         Jim Serwinowski <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:      testing
> > To:           [log in to unmask]
> > 
> > 
> > I think we can safely say that Listserv is definately adding 
> > spaces, but
> > somehow different mail clients seem to display it 
> > differently, either in
> > full header mode or not (Outlook Express).
> > 
> > Now the question is why, and I think I have the answer - 
> It's for the
> > archives. The html code for the messages in the archives uses 
> > <pre> tags
> > to format the header of the message so that it all lines 
> up, like it's
> > been tabbed. Take a look and you'll see everything is spaced 
> > out to line up
> > with "Content-Type: ". Since they use <pre> tags and not 
> > tables, the only way
> > to do that is with extra spaces.
> > 
> > So to answer John's original question:
> > 
> > "Anyone want to venture an opinion on why the spaces are 
> > being prepended?"
> > 
> > I'm going with - "To make the web archives look nice and pretty."
> > 
> > However, I believe this is a bad idea, especially for the 
> > Outlook Express
> > folk. If indeed the web archives are the reason behind it, 
> > they can do the
> > same effect with tables instead of <pre> tags and save people 
> > some headaches.
> > 
> > -Jim
> > 
> > --
> > Jim Serwinowski                 [log in to unmask]
> > UB Listserv Administrator       http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Peter Rauch wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:55:20 -0800
> > > From: Peter Rauch <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Reply-To: LISTSERV give-and-take forum 
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: prepending spaces to the subject line
> > >
> > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jim Serwinowski wrote:
> > > > Subject: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> > > >
> > > > Look at any message in this thread except one that you may
> > > > have composed yourself and look at it using full headers. Do
> > > > you see the spaces in the "Subject: " line?
> > > >
> > > > I do, and I use pine 4.21.
> > >
> > > Jim, I use Pine 4.21 (on a Sun system) and if I view the Subject
> > > line with headers NOT full, the line does not have extra spaces.
> > >
> > > If I view it with FULL headers on, then I see five _extra_
> > > spaces.
> > >
> > > If I "export" the messages while FULL headers are on, the
> > > Subject line is exported with five _extra_ spaces. With full
> > > headers off, no extra spaces are included.
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is how the two renderings look:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> > > Subject:      Re: [LSTSRV-L] prepending spaces to the subject line
> > >
> > > Neither contain TAB in the exported copy (there are some
> > > _leading_ TABs in the exported FULL-headers copy of other, long,
> > > header lines).
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
>